Flabby Groyper "Scoop" Against MassResistance Backfires

Casey Whalen: "Arthur doesn't agree with me.
That means he's 'controlled opposition'!"

I love my haters!

In Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, there is a lingering effort of white nationalist freaks trying for some degree of relevance.

The Idaho GOP is making great strides to keep Idaho great, and make the state a standard for other states to follow.

However, there are still some of those perverse, dishonest elements in Northern Idaho, who want to corrupt constitutionalism, conservatism, and common sense into more racialism and empty bigotry.

Check out the latest attempt by one of these types, an over-done, flabby Nick Fuentes "groyper" [the nickname that Nick Fuentes followers use to describe themselves] named Casey Whalen:

Exposing Mass Resistance

The organization Mass Resistance, formerly known as Parents' Rights Coalition, is showing its true colors. This is a heads-up for anyone in this network.

This org is not for freedom of speech and likely controlled opposition.

Please share, ask… pic.twitter.com/sqlU5XKmlN

— Casey Whalen (@casey_whalen) July 20, 2024

Normally, such hollow hit pieces don't deserve a response, but the allegations are so laughable, and the dishonesty is so great, and they are so easy to debunk, that I just couldn't resist commenting. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, it's so easy to trash. This was fun!

First, the notion that Whalen was "exposing" MassResistance is rather silly. Everything that he recorded my saying in that phone call, I have said in public as well as private. It's quite vindicating when people  record you secretly, with the express attempt to shame you, only to further affirm your integrity and honesty to the general public.

I have dealt with a number of Israel First fanatics like Mr. Whalen, who have taken my private conversations, made them public, only to vindicate myself and put themselves to shame.

Here are a few other things that I want to point out:

1. Whalen calls MassResistance "Israel First." Huh? Not once did I mention Israel in my conversation with him. 

2. When I called anti-Semite white nationalist Nick Fuentes a liar, he did not challenge me or correct me. There was no denial from Casey Whalen, thus in a broad sense, confirming my point.

3. Whalen cries that I do not support freedom of speech, or that MassResistance does not support freedom of speech. What he really means is: "You don't like what I am saying, and therefore you are silencing me." Such complaints are rather childish, immature. Part of freedom of speech is the freedom not to listen and not to associate with views which one finds offensive.

Never have I silenced or sought the cancellation of Mr. Whalen or his comments. He is free to post or publish whatever he chooses, provided he does not violate the natural rights of others. That is my stance on the issue.

Now, let's consider the comments that Casey Whalen made:

4. He asserts that the whole notion of cultural Marxism and thus transgenderism comes from "the Jooz." He sounds a lot like Joy Reid, who used to blame "The Jooz" for everything. Yes, there are passages in the Talmud from some commentators, who allege that there are more than two sexes. But those are opinions and discussions among many clashing views within that text. I do not read the Talmud, and most Jews do not read the Talmud. I have even read that most religious, observant Jews recognize that the Talmud is not inspired. I explained all of this to Casey.

More importantly, though, I pointed out to him that there are other wayward cultural views that have wrongly asserted that there are more than two sexes. Southeast Asian Indians believe that there is a "third sex" for people with dubious genitalia. Also, American Indians believe that here are more than two sexes. In fact, this false notion is quite widespread in my cultures and their myths of origin:

           

I shared this information with Casey, and he could not refute that, either.

Instead of answering my questions, he resorts to complaining and defaming me, defaming MassResistance.

5. I just loved the part when he talked about MassResistance, and he mentioned Brian Camenker, the President of MassResistance, who "admits that he is Jewish." He "admits" it ... as if it's something to be ashamed of or that he has to hide. Seriously?

6. Building on the point above, Casey shared an article from CBN, i.e. the CHRISTIAN Broadcasting Network, and the passage specifically which Casey highlights points to Brian's wish to defend CHRISTIANS from persecution. All of this hostility to "The Jooz" makes even less sense, and Casey really made himself look bad after sharing this.

7. Casey Whalen calls MassResistance "controlled opposition." What does that even mean? Our organization has made considerable strides in Idaho, as well as other states. We even helped parents in Coeur D'Alene and helped the Kootenai County library board of trustees deal with all the crazy, left-wing cultural rot which has infiltrated the region.

8. I have to revisit this smear: "Israel First." Again, what is all this about? It comes down to this: if you don't like Nick Fuentes, if you do not share the groyper cult-like fascination/obsession with a spoiled bigot from Chicago and their hatred of Israel, that means you are not "America First," and thus "Israel First." All of those anti-American groypers have such an unremitting hatred of Jews, of Israel, of any demographic that is not "white." How that is "America First," has never been made clear to me. 

Funny thing is, MassResistance has a number of Jewish people who support our work, but they do not support Israel. We even have ardent anti-Zionists who not only work with MassResistance, but have donated to our cause! Strange indeed that he calls us "Israel First."

9. Whalen wails that I might have--might have? great journalism there!--reported his website or his reporting to some left-wing smear machine like the Southern Poverty Law Center. He clearly has not done his homework. MassResistance, and myself personally, have been smeared, defamed, maligned, and libeled by the SPLC multiple times. I have actually taken steps and made strides to get the SPLC libel removed from major newspapers. But Whalen calls us "controlled opposition ..." Sure.

And a few other things ...

10. MassResistance is an international organization, not just national. We have worked with people in other countries, not just the United States, and we have had successes in those countries, as well.

11. My last name is "Schaper," pronounced "shopper," not "Sharper." I am really stunned how often people get that wrong, especially from someone like Casey Whalen, who calls himself a journalist,

Instead of exposing MassResistance, Whalen exposed himself, and his "scoop" backfired on him big time. Local activists in the Coeur D'Alene area shared their alarm with me when they saw Whalen's hit piece. They have had enough of the ethnic bigotry, the Jew-bashing, the anti-natural law sentiments which do not help, but rather hinder the fight against cultural Marxism. Whalen is free to wail, and I am free to keep fighting the good fight.

You can't fight the lies of the Left with more lies, though. I stand with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, who boldly exhorted: "Live not by lies." Whalen chose to lie about me and MassResistance, and he has the freedom to do so. I am grateful for the freedom and opportunity to expose one more groyper, especially an older man who should think about serving his community, rather than acting like a child.

The Truth About Anti-Semite Groypers

Benny Johnson is not my favorite person. Turning Point USA is not really turning the country to a better point. The organization has all but caved to the LGBT Agenda, and much of what they are promoting is certainly eye-raising, since it's not appropriate.

But I have to give him credit for fully exposing the groypers, and their head frog Nick Fuentes.

Here's a picture of Robert Barnes spanking Fuentes after he refuted his failed anti-Semitic, anti-American talking points on InfoWars:

But just to make sure that you know that I am no fan of TPUSA, I wanted to share this part first:

When they had skimpy women shooting out lots of money to a crowd of kids, I contacted Charlie Kirk via his Facebook fan page.

Here's the answer that I received:

Here's the full extent of the remarks which I shared, and how he responded:

Necessary adjustments? Hmm ...

And then I followed up with the following remarks:

So, I just want to be clear, I am not a big of TPUSA.

Now, having said that, I am grateful to Benny Johnson for putting together all the dirt on Anti-Semite Groyper Nick Fuentes.

Here's the Twitter thread which he had compiled:

THREAD*

Recently, there has been some confusion about who Nick Fuentes is.

It’s time for the authoritative deep-dive on Fuentes.

Disturbing videos of Fuentes have surfaced. Fuentes claims he is being “smeared” & “taken out of context.”

Let’s let Nick speak for himself:

— Benny (@bennyjohnson) November 19, 2019

Here's all you need, folks.

What really alarms me, however, is that many well-spoken, forthright adults are falling for this guy. I still don't quite understand their fascination with an angry, embittered kid.

I understand there is a growing movement among conservatives for restriction on immigration, and for support and protection of natural marriage and the family. These are good developments.

But we cannot sacrifice respect for natural law and natural rights, either. Anyone who thinks that someone's worth or well-being is based on their skin color is violating natural rights, and therefore is undermining the United States Constitution. 

We need to stand for truth and reject this white version of collectivism.

Nice: Barnes Beating Groypers Like a Boss

Kudos to Alex Jones for sponsoring a debate between Robert Barnes and Nick Fuentes.

Here's the link. I cannot share this link on Facebook, since they are doing the bidding of Communist China, and they will not allow Alex Jones' program to be posted on their site. After all, Jones has gone out of his way to expose all the evil that the Chinese Communist Party is doing around the world.

His debate debunking anti-Zionism, anti-Semitism, and pretty much upended the Groyper obsession with denouncing Israel while ignoring Islamic militancy and promoting Iran was excellent.

Here's some takeaways from the debate:

Watching people who hate Israel defend IslamoFascism as totally safe and no problem for America might be a hint that they are not on the winning side...

— Robert Barnes (@barnes_law) May 29, 2021

After the debate, Barnes exposed a number of Fuentes' despicable views (all culled and shared by TPUSA's Benny Johnson)

And here was a funny meme, too:

It was a fun debate. Don't complain too much, groypers. pic.twitter.com/iyJi724LiE

— Robert Barnes (@barnes_law) May 26, 2021

MAGA Inc.: The Anti-Semite vs. The Sodomite

 This is what the MAGA Inc. Turf (or should I write "Terf?") war has descended into:

Right now - @NickJFuentes is confronting drag artist @LadyMagaUSA outside the Hyatt Regency post-CPAC on phony conservatism. pic.twitter.com/1ReNslifCo

— Rebecca Brannon (@RebsBrannon) March 1, 2021

We have anti-Semite Nick Fuentes getting into an argument with sodomite "Conservative" Drag Queen Lady MAGA. Really. 

I thought the fight was all about making America Great Again--or at least making American good again. Alex de Toqueville wrote about the importance of a "good" America, so that America would remain great. Despising ethnic groups is not going to make America good again. Promoting sexual perversion is not going to make America good again, either. Please, we can do better than this, can't we? 

 And things are looking even more bleak as younger conservatives and populist-leaning nationalists wanting to force up the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, and they are also talking about Medicaid expansions and other Big Government programs.

Yes, We the People need to stand up to the anti-Constitutional abuses of Big Business. There are better ways to do that, besides giving the government more power. The states need their power restored. The balance of power needs to be reoriented back to the states and the people. Is that too far-fetched a goal? Perhaps.

One thing is for sure, though: the increased ideological conflicts among Conservative Inc., MAGA Inc., and now America First Inc. is really tiresome. All of this bickering among broken and corrupted elements looking to push their own narrow agenda, all of which falls outside of the domain of natural law and natural rights, is hurting the larger cause.

Sure, people can go after Charlie Kirk, but even he had a point, i.e. Groypers should be going after their Congressmen and US Senators. They should be raising hell at their local school boards, too. The government belongs to We the People, not Some of Us Grifters.

And the Conservative Movement by and large has descended into more grift, more making money all while claiming to be getting the job done to fight all the perverse, abominable moves undermining our country.

The whole show is just more grift, nothing more.

The Conservative Movement just cannot seem to get its act together. Everyone wants to hold conferences. No one wants to organize their citizenship political might and fight back. Everyone wants to argue about their pet niche within conservatism. No one wants to fight in the public square, the public schools, the courts of public opinion to make the case for the American values that make America Great.

Instead, we have one set of  new grifters calling another set of grifters "grifters". Give me a break. And they have more incendiary views which shock and disgust people, and all of that flash without panache is just to make more money.

The grift needs to be sifted out until conservatives start to value gaining power to accomplish good, as opposed to making money to purchase more goods.

We can do better than Lady MAGA. We can do better than Nick Fuentes. We can do better than Groypers, Groupies, Stoners, and Stupids. We can do better than anti-Semites and Sodomites.

We can do better than Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro, too. We don't need more conferences, discussions, and philosophy. It's time to push back on the levers of power and take control of our government, our country, and our communities.

Otherwise, the fight to advance conservatism is going to descend into a bum's rush between sodomites and anti-Semities. We can do better, we can push for better, and we can make better happen.

Open Letter to Michelle Malkin Re: The Groypers

Michelle:

First of all, I love your work. I was there to meet with you last year when you spoke in Fullerton, CA last year.

 

Here's a photo of you and me after your talk:

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=404551790459432&set=a.101614774086470&type=3

 

Second, I am THRILLED that you exposed CPAC and Conservative Inc at great length. They really screwed over MassResistance, as they pander to LGBT causes, including

 

I cannot thank you, in fact Brian and I cannot thank you enough for calling out and exposing CPAC!

 

They are not just bad, but dangerous to the conservative cause, since they induce college-aged people to think that you can be conservative and embrace a false agenda based on cultural Marxism which harms the civic culture and the societal underpinnings which make civilization—Western civilization—possible/

 

To be honest, Townhall.com has pretty much fallen into the Conservative Inc. category, too. I used to write for them, up to my last two articles about Pete "Alfred E" Buttigieg. Then they would not publish my submissions after that, and I just stopped writing for them.

 

Third of all -- GREAT ARTICLE about MassResistance’s efforts. To my knowledge, this is the first time you have taken on the Big LGBT agenda assaulting our country and attacking our children, our country, and our culture!

 

http://michellemalkin.com/2020/02/19/parents-anti-drag-queen-hour-resistance-rises/?fbclid=IwAR11fY3wF3cc1PfY3bFyXeQ3krUJuos-5EO6YBlNiszULVQsglNgkO70mGo

 

I hope that you write more articles exposing Big Gay. This agenda needs to be confronted head on! I am so thrilled that you are writing about this perverse Big LGBT agenda, and I hope that you will write more articles about it. MassResistance is staunchly committed to speaking the whole truth about this agenda: no one is "born that way", and in no wise should it be treated as a civil right. I have often shared that we need a wall around our border, but we also need a wall around our culture, protecting father and mother – Make Male and Female Great Again, Make Marriage Great Again, Make Mom and Dad Great Again. I believe that you would agree with me on this.

 

Now, I wanted to respond to the comment you wrote on Telegram:

 

https://t.me/MichelleMalkin/758?fbclid=IwAR0hXkA-3Q9cbdadq9CQLyCP3hm5VVNB2TdmggJ83JXv06H085-iajts5-w

 

I would like to first point out that I did not criticize you publicly. I wrote to you privately not to shame or demean you, but to share my concern. I care about your work very much, and I am in full agreement with your opposition to open borders, amnesty, etc. I have a copy of your latest book, signed by you! I only wish you had shared your upset with me privately, but that's fine.

 

Here's the debate I endured with Fuentes:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GACTVmvyoc

 

 It was really awful. He made a number of anti-Semitic comments to me, and he has made them to others. I'm not even Jewish, but to assume that one's ethnic status informs one's opinions or allegiances to the United States is distinctly un-American. He has made numerous comments dismissing or casting doubt on the Holocaust. He has also argued that people who are not white should live in another country. He really believed that conflict would end if we had a country with a more racially or ethnically homogenous population. "All men are created equal" reads our Founding Declaration. Fuentes does not agree with that. He has called marriage between a white person and a black person “degenerate.” This is not “America First”.

 

I admit that in the debate I was not prepared for the anti-Zionist arguments about the LaVon Affair, USS Liberty, etc. I later learned that many anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic polemicists often resort to these talking points to obfuscate the argument. A number of people caught me up to speed on these issues after that debate.

 

Fuentes was boorish, abusive, and very rude in the debate, as well. These behaviors and the ideas he has espoused are not worth allying oneself with. Granted, he agrees with us on stopping open borders, amnesty, and the LGBT agenda. But that does not excuse his other offensive and false views. They are not commensurate with putting American citizens, country, and culture first in our estimation. 

 

He even defended the Islamic Republic of Iran as a victim, when that country has routinely punished their own people (who love the United States) while providing funding for terrorist groups in the Middle East which attack us. That nation's parliament burns American flags. Why would anyone defend Iran, or more specifically the Ayatollah's regime?

 

He literally said "I would rather live in a fascist state." What? How is that America First? His views on race and the role of economic freedom are simply not "America First", either. He has written "fuck the free market" -- seriously? Free enterprise as domestic policy is excellent, a commensurate part of what makes America great. AND imposing tariffs on goods from rogue states and to protect our native-grown manufacturing industries is completely acceptable. Thomas Sowell defends the tariff practice in his book "Basic Economics."

 

Again, I shared those comments with you privately because I care about your mission and your activism. You are making a mistake promoting this young man. He shamed me as "Israel First" just because I care about the state of Israel and I want that country to thrive--as part of God's mission on this earth to redeem all of mankind through His Son Christ Jesus. You can love Israel, and still be "America First", and thus care about your own country. Part of the reason Trump is President is on account of Evangelical voters, and they wanted a stronger recognition of Israel, i.e. the proper location of our embassy in Israel in the capital city.

 

Watch the debate for yourself, and please notice that I have not called for nor demanded that this debate be taken down. I don't ascribe to "Cancel Culture":

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GACTVmvyoc

Furthermore, I do not want him or ANYONE deplatformed. I think it is totally wrong to deplatform people for sharing views that I do not agree with.

 

What can I say, Michelle, I love your work, but you are wrong about allying with this Fuentes guy.

 

Having written all of this, I thank you again for spotlighting the what MassResistance is doing. We need more nationally-read columnists standing up to and exposing the LGBT Agenda in its fullest. Too many conservatives have given up on calling out the lies about homosexuality, transgenderism, and the like.

 

I even wrote a glowing article about some of the so-called "Groypers" when they took on TPUSA for being pro-LGBT:

 

http://aschaper1.blogspot.com/2019/11/reflections-on-tpusa-culture-war-town.html

Thanks for allowing me to share these thoughts with you. Once again, I thank you and appreciate your help to fortify more people to fight this culture war and stop Big Gay.

 

One last tip:

 

You might want to start investigating the Big Islamic money that is flowing into colleges all over the United States. They are the ones pushing a lot of anti-Zionist, read Anti-Semitic propaganda around the country. You can definitely tie all of this to the massive refugee agenda that Big Business and Big Left are pushing.

 

And read "The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise" when you get a chance. The author Dario Fernandez-Morera tells the truth about the so-called "multicultural paradise" in Islamic Spain (which never happened, by the way), AND about the big rush of Islamic money pushing universities to abandon rigorous research and criticism of Islamic history and culture.

 

Thank you for your time, and once again, you can call me anytime.

 

Sincerely,

Arthur Schaper, Organization Director

Website: MassResistance.org

Email: arthur@massresistance.org

(781) 890-6001

@MassResistance

The Truth About Alt-Righters: Anti-American Left-Wing Frauds

There has been some confusion about all the different people, places, things, movements, etc associated with President.

I didn't know what to think of some of the movements that I saw on YouTube, and some of the alternative media that I found seemed worth looking into.

The confusion sprang from the two fold argument that people like Vince James, Nick Fuentes, James Allsup, and other sources claim when they say that they are pro-American, or that they are American First.

Then you hear some disturbing ideas from these individuals.

They believe that black people should live Africa, Asian people should live in Asia, and that white people should be able to live in Europe and America.

Let me break down what I learned more specifically.

Let's start with the debate that I had with James Allsup:

First of all, he made a snide aside that people were worried or scared by the idea of "socialism."

It is a terrifying ideology when put into practice. Men and women of any stature or substance should fight as hard as they can for freedom, for free markets, enterprise, and people.

Socialism is a bad end. Redistribution of wealth is theft, a great evil in any society, in any culture.

The biggest fraud came across when Allsup claims that Democrats do a good job of running different states.

I burst out laughing when I heard that. It took me a few minutes to calm down, that statement was so ridiculous.

Wherever the Democratic Party has taken hold, including its perverse investment in racism, identity politics, and centralized control of the government, there has been nothing but decay, destruction, and death left in its wake.

When Allsup said that Democratic-controlled states were well-run, this was my answer:

But wait ... why would they be claiming this in the first place?

Then there was the Nick Fuentes debate.

It was really hard to understand what was going on. I was trying to this kid's debate points seriously, but they really weren't serious.

Here's the debate.

Someone had told me that this debate would pretty much degenerate into a name-calling shouting match.

That is pretty much what happened.

Then I reviewed some of the comments which he had made.

This guy really isn't right-wing or America First.

1. Fuentes said he would rather live in a fascist state.

2. He declared that a woman is worth half of a man.

3. He questioned the Holocaust, which is his right, but then he complains that he is not a white nationalist or a neo-Nazi or anything like that (yet he sure talks like one ...)

4. Then they went off on their anti-Semitic rants against me at the end of the "Debate".

These guys are not America First.

They are America Last, and they are Iran First, or rather Palestinian Terrorism first, or Ayatollahs first.

Look, they are entitled to their opinions, but the fact that they reject the equal opportunities for all individuals, regardless of their skin color, the fact that they are committed to some kind of "white nationalism" rather than American exceptionalism, and the fact that they have rejected a number of the United States' founding principles, both in the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution, pretty much goes to show that they are not America First.

They are America Last, and any line of argument, radio shows, or anything in between that suggests otherwise is a total left-wing, collectivist fraud.

The JQ comes back.

Why not Just Quit these alt-right (left-wing) frauds?

The Truth About Nick Fuentes: Left-Wing, Anti-American Fraud

I am merely isolating this part of my previous article for emphasis' sake.

Fuentes attended the "United the Right" Charlottesville

Then there was the Nick Fuentes debate.

It was really hard to understand what was going on. I was trying to this kid's debate points seriously, but they really weren't serious.

Or rather ... this guy really isn't right-wing or America First.

1. Fuentes said he would rather live in a fascist state.

2. He declared that a woman is worth half of a man.

3. He questioned the Holocaust, which is his right, but then he complains that he is not a white nationalist or a neo-Nazi or anything like that (yet he sure talks like one ...)

4. Then they went off on their anti-Semitic rants against me at the end of the "Debate".

These guys are not America First.

They are America Last, and they are Iran First, or rather Palestinian Terrorism first, or Ayatollahs first.

Look, they are entitled to their opinions, but the fact that they reject the equal opportunities for all individuals, regardless of their skin color, the fact that they are committed to some kind of "white nationalism" rather than American exceptionalism, and the fact that they have rejected a number of the United States' founding principles, both in the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution, pretty much goes to show that they are not America First.

A supporter made this for me.
Fuentes blocked the guy who made this

They are America Last, and any line of argument, radio shows, or anything in between that suggests otherwise is a total left-wing, collectivist fraud.

Hatred of Jews? Left-wing.

Hatred of Israel and opposition to recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel? Left-wing.

A commitment to racial segregation and ultimately separation? Left-wing.

Most importantly, however, when anyone claims that they would rather live in a fascist state than in a constitutional republic, there you have another left-winger, and someone who is as antithetical to the American experiment, to American exceptionalism.

Besides, fascism is a left-wing ideology.

Sorry, Nick. You are a fraud.

So here is the JQ once again ...

Why not Just Quit Nick Fuentes?

Bibi has a point here

Update:

Here's more (with more information to come):

You are only scratching the surface on Leftist Fuentes. You should dig deeper into his relationship with muslim brotherhood sympathizer and supposedly ex girlfriend. pic.twitter.com/6KIQDbK3hT

— Victor (@orangecountyrat) August 19, 2018

Letter to the Editor: Impressed By Your Compassion and Tenacity

Good to see you at Barnes and Noble.  I saw a video debate on YouTube between you and Nick Fuentes on the state of Israel.   I was impressed by your compassion and tenacity in the face of anti-Semitism.  I have not yet seen your other videos on YouTube or read your blog, but it’s clear you care about American culture and our current immigration debacle. 

I like history and politics, but I also like art and culture—it’s impossible to read everything or watch everything regarding political and historical issues, and even if you manage to devote serious time and energy into becoming educated on important issues, the climate today is so totally disadvantageous to discussion and debate that quite frankly, I feel that I’m wasting my time. 

Good luck to you and your efforts and i hope to see you at Barnes and Noble again soon. 

--Chilton

Letter to the Editor: "Let me say, God bless Israel, I love Jews ..."

Arthur, you passionate man! God made you for this reason. I love you brother.

Let me say, God bless Israel, I love Jews and I support the nation of Israel. 

That said, we have to understand the nature of this argument. Despite many things and points that can be brought against Israel, I support them because the Bible tells me so.

•God has His reasons• and they are beyond my understanding. “Lean not on your own understanding....”

This is something that you can not expect nonbelievers to accept.  That is what you dealt with in yesterday’s debate... nonbelievers. You can’t expect them to agree with you on Israel because the true reason to support Israel is not something to be successfully argued out but something that the Lord’s obedient will accept. They have not sought the Lord and therefore 

◄ 1 Corinthians 5:12 ►

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

I share this with you because:

◄ Proverbs 27:17 ►

"As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another."

>So as far as those guys, remember...

◄ 1 Corinthians 2:14 ►

“But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

>As a new believer in my 20s, I had tremendous difficulty accepting King David’s murder of Uriah... the circumstances of it were truly foul and deserving of a judgment of death (in man’s eyes) 

BUT GOD, is sovereign and He saw it differently. I can’t understand it but I trust Him. 

Consider an analogy of David’s transgressions a good parallel to trying to explain your support for Israel 🇮🇱. To one that trusts not God, it’s a tall order....

for a believer,  it is easier to get the support for David and   Israel 🇮🇱 , but to the one that is having trouble trusting The Lord, King David and Israel might be a tough pill to swallow.

I hope framing it in this context helps you to understand it better, brother.

Maybe if you can frame your future debates on this subject by acknowledging their concerns, you’ll have more grace upon it to win hearts and minds over.

These fellows are sincere in their position... they’re just not willing to trust. 

That’s the bravado of youth.

They can still be won over for the kingdom, and you know it. 

God bless you, Arthur.