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| Lawrence Roche, Grumpy Groyper |
On October 30th, 2024, I had a debate on the broad Arab-Israeli conflict with Nick Taurus of Laguna Hills.
We had debated the topic last year:
Nick wanted to bring me back to discuss the issue again, this time in a public forum before an audience. Yes, the debate was recorded, too:
I wrote some brief comments about the debate last month, but now I have time to comment on one key issue that erupted--disrupted--the debate.
And that was the grumpy moderator, Lawrence Roche:
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| Grumpy Groyper tipped his hand in the Arab-Israel debate with Nick Taurus |
He was an immoderate man who repeatedly interrupted me and shouted at me and others in the audience. He was tipping his hand from the beginning, and that is understandable.
However, that did not stop me from speaking the truth.
He allowed a member of the audience to argue and interrupt me, when everyone was supposed to be quiet and listen once they asked a question. He told me to be a "debater" and let him run the debate, which he did not do very well.
Here is the lowest of lowlights of this immoderate moderator: (Click here)
During the Question and Answer period fromteh audience, I confronted Andrew the JQ guy about his reference to the Lavon Affair. During that exchange, Roche jumped in to stop me from speaking. At that point, Nick and I had tacitly understood that we could answer questions posed to us and respond to other questions or comments previously. But Lawrence did not like my confronting and correcting Andrew regarding his hostility to Israel!
It got better, of course, because when I called him out on it!
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| Roche Interrupting me |
You will notice in the last video, Nick Taurus literally had to moderate this Moderator: "Let him finish!"
Yes. The moderator lost his cool. He could not control himself, and he felt justified interrupting the debate.
What is this?
What I have noticed is that this interruption culture is a constant with pro-Palestinian acolytes. They do not want to debate this issue fairly. The moderators all too often tip their hands. The only time I have seen an experienced and effective moderator was the debate between Robert Barnes and Nick Fuentes on InfoWars.
At the beginning of the debate, I had given Grumpy Groyper Lawrence the benefit of the doubt. Nick Taurus invited and expected two moderators, but the pro-Zionist moderator did not show up.
At the end of it all, I am glad that I could debate sometimes three people at once.
When I posted the debate on Instagram the next day, Lawrence Roche swept in and pushed his short-lived revisionism:
Here's his entire rant, in an attempt to justify himself:
You're a liar, Schaper. The debate hall & atmosphere was very fair & you had every accommodation afforded to you. So much so that after the meeting you took home all the remaining food without it first being offered to you! What a leach [sic]! And yes, I stood & watched this transpire. lol
This guy is supposed to be an educator, and he spells "leech" wrong. Also, Nick and his team offered to let me take food home, or it would have been thrown away, so there's that. Notice that he does not discuss the substance of any issues, but just attacks people personally. Why? Because he has no facts or basis for criticizing someone.
Schaper kvetched: "The moderator would fight with me, but I learned
from @jdvance how to
fight back, and even Nick took my side at one point."
All of this is true. JD Vance had to debate Tim Walz and two moderators during the Vice-Presidential debate earlier that month. During the last question of my debate with Taurus, I had to fend off Lawrence, Andrew (the JQ conspiracist) as well as Nick.
No one was fighting you Schaper, just attempting to counter your disruptive
behaviour. So I did, as I did with the Barking Jews you brought as your
"cheering" section (cheering, as in loudly barking & interrupting
Nick). I had to forcefully overpower your attempts to disrupt the debate &
shut it down.
See the videos for yourself. He argued with me, and he got upset when I called him out for not enforcing the rules of the debate. Grumpy Groyper literally interrupted me when I called out Andrew over the Lavon Affair. There was no justification for that, and Nick Taurus had to correct Roche and tell him to calm down. When members of the audience interrupted me, Roche didn't care. In contrast, when members of the audience chimed in or asked if they could clarify or add to the discussion, I told them that they could not. And some of those people were my guests, but even then I did not let them break the decorum.
Of course, who can ignore Grumpy's rant in his comment above: "Barking Jews." Seriously. We are talking about a grown man here, and he is writing such dreck. Besides, most of my guests were not Jews, and I knew five of the people in the audience. Everyone else was a new face tome.
Roche is physically grown, but not matured, to say the least. That is a common trait among pro-Palestinian agitators. They don't display emotional maturity (or intelligence).
Content-wise, you were pathetically comical as all Zionists are when trying to justify the GENOCIDE going on in Gaza today. Your retarded, long ago de-bunked Dennis Praeger-tier takes will live forever as comedy gold(stein). My favorite moment? Perhaps it was when you praised Israel's strategy of bombing hospitals in Gaza! Typical depraved Zionist morality.
When someone uses "genocide" to denigrate Israelis protecting themselves, you know that that person has completely lost the argument. He loves to talk about Dennis Prager, whose name he misspelled. Nick told me that Roche was an educator. I think his students should sue him for breach of contract.
I am glad the videos are out & about for all to see, so please refrain from
editing them!
Yes, indeed, I have not edited the videos at all. I encourage everyone to watch them. A number of people commented a month after the debate that they liked what I had to say, they enjoyed the debate, and they complimented me on standing for truth.
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