Wednesday, March 19, 2014

About Single-Payer. . .

"So Art--thanks!!! You made the argument for a single-payer system for me!!! Appreciate it!!! --Jim (or Sara, or Lee)

So what about single-payer. . .

There were rumblings from Reid and company that Obamacare was merely a stop toward single-payer, to begin with. Reid acknowledged that many of his supporters wanted single-payer, which at the time was masqueraded as "Public Option".

For horror stories about single-payer, check them out here:

Stephen Crowder went undercover into the socialized health care system. Clinics were closed on weekends. The waiting time for seeing a doctor or a nurse was at least a day, and even then, after waiting, they had to wait again to get an appointment. One lady shared how a friend of hers lost both legs because of medical incompetence.

Then there's John Stossel, who attacked the health insurance system in its entirety, pointing out that someone else ends up paying for it, which drives up costs, forcing doctors to hire more people to handle the outrageous paperwork. The third-party arrangements have created outrageous demand, rationing, and more paperwork.

And fraud.

John Stossel visited the Canadian Health Care system, and even spoke with doctors in the system (unlike Michael Moore, who tried to play up Canadian health care as if it's really something). Doctors expose the amount of waiting, and some die, or the pain gets worse. Hospitals throughout Canada are packed, as well, and there is no room for them in other hospitals. Some cities even have to throw a lottery just to give one person at a time a chance to see a family doctor. Black market health clinics have opened up all over Canada, as well. Black market for health care? Really?!

Here's another horror story from Canada stories about the Canadian health care system:

But that's Canada! What about Cuba?

John Stossel confronted crock-umentarian Michael Moore about the Cuban health care system, where in spite of the nice video ops. Refugees from Cuba, doctors as well as human rights activists expose that government officials will provide propaganda to the United Nations as well as feature hospitals with the best health care, which is reserved for political elites, while everyone else must succumb to sub-standard health care, often facing terrible, officious conditions, rationing, and a greater spread of disease.

But what about Great Britain?

The NHS neglected this woman's mother, dropped her. 400 hundred people have died at the hospital, as well. The government demanded a quota every month, and the hospital would rush through patients. These individuals call out a system which is terminally it.

Another UK report blasted the system, pointing out that many died needlessly. Poor care in fourteen hospitals, at least! And since everyone is forced to pay and forced to attend, such is the result of government force in health care. Another lady called the care that her deceased grandfather received "Appalling!"

Check out these links just on "NHS Failures" -- are you kidding me!

The NHS is better known for its massive failure than delivering great care. UK Prime Minister was hard pressed to defend such terrible news. In Britain, however, the citizens have no choice but to pay for bad health care.

But what about France?

I have heard the best reports about France, so far.

CBS Sunday Morning investigated the French system, which spotlighted that the French make less, the prices which are set by the government. The doctors are willing to accept it. Doctors respond to all emergency calls first, which shield many of the cases which do not need an emergency team.

If a team is required, a doctor and a nurse with other staff come

The French pay $3,400 per year on health care, and the French do complain. Yet the system is running a massive deficit -- $12 billion a year -- and many come to the country just for the free health care.  A Huffington Post article also points out the cost issue in the French system, which cannot be ignored.

The Cato Institute ended up shedding some light on the upside of the French system, as well, which included more use of private insurance, which is less regulated in France than in the United  States. French citizens are expected to pick up more of the costs, too. More importantly, though, Cato points out that market forces play a greater role in the health care cost control (not government intervention) and -- the French government and legal system are "tort-averse", meaning that doctors and hospitals do not contend with lawsuits, or the growing fear of lawsuits, nearly as much as occurs in the United States.

The report further reminds readers that despite the costs of health care in the United States, many come here to get the care that they need, and most of the technical innovations used in medicine originate in the United States, too.

Still, if there are any lessons one can take about health care reform, then, the answers lie not in granting more power to the state, but expanding options, instituting reforms within the system, employing market forces for insurance,  engaging individual responsibility, and encoding tort reform.

Not single-payer per se, but free market reforms make the difference. I would further submit that with less regulation and increasing the role of market forces within the health care system, France would better control health care costs, and end the "moocher problem" of people coming to the country for free health care.


  1. You cite John Stossel's report? Up your game, Junior. Up. Your. Game.

    1. Jim -- what makes Stossel a non-credible source? You need to up your game. Or just admit that you have no argument one way or another. The game is set.

  2. Leave it to low-info Art to look to an unfunny right-wing Canadian "comedian" as one of his "health care experts". Art, rather than just throw up any old thing you can cut and paste or swipe from the Blaze or Breitbart or Michelle Malkin, maybe you should actually learn something about the issues and quote people who are involved with it, rather than the Stossels and Crowders of the world. You come across as a total imbecile.

  3. By an overwhelming margin, Canadians prefer the Canadian health care system to the American one. Overall, 82% said they preferred the Canadian system, fully ten times the number who said the American system is superior (8%)....from a Harris-Decima poll (.pdf), July 2009. .
    According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Canadians have a life expectancy of 80.7 years compared to 78.1 years for Americans. (Japan tops the list of 29 industrialized countries with 82.4 years.) One widespread interpretation is that Canadians live longer than their neighbors because no legal resident of Canada is without health insurance.

    Canada achieves that universal coverage, again according to the O.E.C.D., by spending 10.1 percent of its gross domestic product on health care, far less than the 16 percent level of the United States.

    The vast majority of Canadians, 91 per cent, felt that Canada's health care system was better than the United States...CTV, a Canadian television network, Jun. 29 2008, reporting on a survey, conducted by the Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.

    In November 2004, Canadians voted Tommy Douglas, Canada's 'father of Medicare'") the Greatest Canadian of all time following a nationwide contest."... CBC

    People in Canada and Great Britain are significantly more satisfied with availability of affordable healthcare than their American counterparts ...Gallup Poll, March, 2003

    Art, you are a goddamn idiot. Get some facts.